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I've always learned that the article for Dativ Plural is 'den', for example

Ich kenne die Frauen, den man Bücher schenkt.

My Duden grammar agrees with me, but it is more common to see forms such as this:

Ich kenne die Frauen, mit denen er spricht.

My understanding is then that 'denen' is the relative pronoun, and 'den' is the article. Is this correct? 'Denen' is new to me.

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Your first sentence is not correct/incomplete and thus a bit ambiguous... both "den" and "denen" can be Dativ plural. –  yankeekilo Apr 8 '14 at 6:05
Yes, denen is a relative pronoun, and you must have misread the Duden, because your first sentence is certainly wrong. –  Carsten S Apr 8 '14 at 6:29
Is it 'man' or 'mann' ?? Sorry, I'm a bit confused aha. –  Esme Apr 9 at 7:22
"man" = "one/you". "der Mann" = "the man". –  pdah Apr 9 at 14:36

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You're right with your statement that den is the article and denen is the relative pronoun.

That said, in your first example you need the relative pronoun, not an article. Note that an article always precedes the noun. In the following examples I marked the articles and pronouns.

Ich kenne die[article] Frauen, denen[relative pronoun] man Bücher schenkt.
Den[article] Frauen, mit denen[relative pronoun] er spricht, schenkt man Bücher.

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Thanks, that's cleared it up. –  pdah Apr 8 '14 at 8:17

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