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I learned that after words like "einige, mehrere, etc." the following adjectives also have the same declination. However, I got corrected when I said "mit einigen meinen Freunde" to "einigen meiner Freunde". Why is it "einigen meiner" and not "einigen meinen"?

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Maybe it helps to look at the English-language equivalent:

with some of my friends

As you may know, mit (English: with) inflects what follows it to the dative case (einige --> einigen). And of can be expressed in German with its counterpart von, for example:

Von meinen Freunden [sind manche weg].

As with mit, von inflects the following noun phrase to the dative case. Concatenating mit and von like so

Mit einigen von meinen Freunden [habe ich gesprochen].

is grammatical German but considered inferior style, especially in writing. (Some people may disagree and consider the double dative acceptable.)

Instead, you would drop the preposition and inflect the noun and its possessive pronoun to the genitive case, i.e., meiner Freunde (and not meinen Freunden, which is dative case). This rule supersedes the otherwise correct rule that you learned about matching the declination.


UPDATE: I am reliably informed that I erred in the "bonus" part of this Answer.

In response to my own question, "But what if you stick in an adjective?"

With some of my good friends

I had offered

Mit einigen meiner guten Freunde

That was correct. However, I erred in identifying "guten" as dative plural. It is in fact genitive plural, the same genitive plural as "meiner" and "Freunde". My mistake shows how tricky identifying the case of individual words can be when different cases can be letter-for-letter identical and only functional analysis will differentiate them.

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This is just wrong. Each word of meiner guten Freunde (in einige meiner guten Freunde) is genetive plural and its form is fully independent of whatever you replace einige with, e.g.: Einige meiner guten Freunde sahen mich; ich sah einige meiner guten Freunde; ich sah einen meiner guten Freunde; … To clearly see the case of meiner guten Freunde, add a parenthesis to it: Ich sah zwei meiner guten Freunde – hunderter Menschen, die ich über die Jahre kennengelernt hatte. The parenthesis refers to zwei meiner Freunde and hunderter clearly is genetive. –  Wrzlprmft Apr 2 '13 at 0:30
    
PS: The parenthesis refers to meiner guten Freunde, of course. –  Wrzlprmft Apr 2 '13 at 0:42
    
@Wrzlprmft Thank you! Now fixed :) –  Eugene Seidel Apr 2 '13 at 10:25
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What happens in your example is that meine turns Freunde from an indefinite group (some friends) to a definite group (all my friends). The same thing would happen if you used diese, jene etc. instead of meine. Applying einige (or mehrere) to a definite group makes no sense, therefore meine Freunde is put into the genetive case and the whole term einige meiner Freunde means (with maximum explicitness) some members of the group which consists of all my friends or just some of my friends.

The same happens in English, where you can say some friends or some of my friends but not some my friends. I could not find an example on the fly where German does not behave analogously to English concerning this.

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Why is "some members of the group which ..." the literal translation of "einige meiner Freunde". "Some of my friends" is. Why make it sound more complicated than it is –  Emanuel Apr 2 '13 at 8:25
    
@Emanuel: You are right. However, I wanted to be this over-explicit to avoid any misunderstanding. But literally was definitly the wrong term to describe it. –  Wrzlprmft Apr 2 '13 at 11:20
    
I like this answer better. Since English and German are connected, I never stopped to look why there was an 'of' between 'some' and 'friends'. –  Anurag Kalia Apr 2 '13 at 23:34
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