Timeline for Examples of mediopassive verb constructions
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| Apr 17, 2019 at 11:19 | comment | added | pablodf76 | I have found German to be a lot like Spanish in this regard, which is lucky for me since Spanish is my first language; the only thing that is different is which anticausative verbs take the reflexive pronoun and which don't, which is exactly the point David makes in this answer (i.e. that the phenomenon is lexical). | |
| Apr 16, 2019 at 11:26 | comment | added | sgf | I think I rememeber seeing somewhere once a list of meanings of the mediopassive construction in German which had a habitual/potential/whatever thingy for stuff like "Das findet sich". But the use without and adverbial is certainly not that common. In any case, this is an excellent answer to a confusing topic. | |
| Apr 16, 2019 at 11:09 | history | edited | David Vogt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 16, 2019 at 10:53 | comment | added | David Vogt | The only consolation I take from this is that I was actually not wrong in invoking the term mediopassive here. | |
| Apr 16, 2019 at 10:50 | comment | added | David Vogt | The modal component seems to indicate that you are right and your example belongs in the mediopassive group. Honestly I find this all quite confusing. | |
| Apr 16, 2019 at 10:46 | history | edited | David Vogt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 16, 2019 at 10:25 | comment | added | sgf | Conceptually yes, I'd say. "Die Tür öffnet sich" at least in my head means that the door performs an action of opening, and it can be true without anyone opening the door. "Das Glas findet sich" is entirely passive; it means that someone finds the glass, or more properly, that it is possible to find it. | |
| Apr 16, 2019 at 10:20 | comment | added | David Vogt | Is there any reason not to see das findet sich as parallel to die Tür öffnet sich? | |
| Apr 16, 2019 at 10:06 | history | edited | David Vogt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 16, 2019 at 9:19 | comment | added | sgf | There's a few examples like "Das findet sich" (I think about smahsed glass of church windows in der Freischütz) where it seems that you actually don't need adverb. | |
| Apr 15, 2019 at 21:24 | history | answered | David Vogt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |