Verb order in passive future subordinate clause

Question

Say I want to express the following subordinate clause:

… , that these texts will be read.

The standard word order would be:

… , dass diese Texte gelesen werden werden.

But it sounds cumbersome. However, there are some cases (multiple infinitives or Ersatzinfinitiv) where the finite verb in the subordinate clause exceptionally comes before the infinitives. I found no reference to the following possiblity:

… , dass diese Texte werden gelesen werden.

But it does feel natural (as a speaker of German since 11 years). Is this suggested form correct? Or, could you suggest a better form than the double werden occurance in the original?

Answer 1

From my point of view, the following seems correct

… , dass diese Texte gelesen werden werden.

It does sound pretty strange, however, and most people wouldn't say it. Yet, I have not found any rule that says it is wrong. On the other hand I did find this table, which says for Vorgangspassiv in Nebensätzen zu Aussagesätzen:

Indikativ Futur I Passiv
ich gemacht werden werde
du gemacht werden wirst
er/sie/es gemacht werden wird
wir gemacht werden werden
ihr gemacht werden werdet
sie/Sie gemacht werden werden

Replace machen by lesen and you get

sie gelesen werden werden

Germans, however, tend to express the future by using the present tense, as the fact that something happens in the future is mostly clear from the context.

Examples:

Morgen gehen wir in den Zoo instead of
Morgen werden wir in den Zoo gehen

So your sentence could be shortened to

… , dass diese Texte gelesen werden.

Please note that there are sentences where this doesn't work nicely. For example if you want to say that books won't disappear and people will always read books you'd say:

Es werden immer Bücher gelesen werden.

to stress that this will be true forever. If you just said

Es werden immer Bücher gelesen.

this connotation is not so clear.

Answer 2

Let's make a full sentence out of it:

I hope, that these texts will be read.

In German this is:

Ich hoffe, dass diese Texte gelesen werden.

Both of your proposals are wrong.

This construction technically gives no information if it is present tense or future tense. You can add »now« as well as »in some years« to make clear what tense is meant:

Let's try present tense. You are a teacher. An hour ago you asked your students to read some texts which will be subject of a test in an hour. You can't see the students now, but you hope, that in this very moment they do what you told them:

Ich hoffe, dass diese Texte jetzt gelesen werden.

But you can also omit »jetzt«, and it still can be interpreted as present tense:

Ich hoffe, dass diese Texte gelesen werden.

Other scenario: You are an author writing a book. The book is not finished, and until now nobody could red it. But you hope, that your texts will be read in a far future, once they will be published:

Ich hoffe, dass diese Texte in ein paar Jahren gelesen werden.

But you can also omit »in ein paar Jahren«, and it still can be interpreted as future tense:

Ich hoffe, dass diese Texte gelesen werden.