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Is there any difference in the construction or the meaning of these 2 sentences?

Es ist derselbe Verein, der sich auch heute noch um die Tiere kümmert.

and

Es ist derselbe Verein, der sich bis zum heute noch um die Tiere kümmert

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    Yes, the second one is grammatically wrong. Is has read either bis zum heutigen Tag or bis heute um die Tiere (no zum, in both cases no noch). From the meaning there is no difference. – guidot Oct 4 '17 at 6:40
  • but why bis zum can not be used? I understood from a previous post that bis is when you make a range, while bis zum is used when using a specific value!! german.stackexchange.com/questions/7783/bis-oder-bis-zum – Millen Oct 4 '17 at 7:23
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    @Millen Read that answer carefully. "Bis zu" is used to specify a maximum value of quantities (Mengen). There cannot be more than exactly one "heute", so it doesn't fit into that pattern (in contrast to "bis zum heutigen Tag", where "Tag" is countable, and "heutig" merely modifies "Tag"). – Annatar Oct 4 '17 at 7:45
  • I did :-) I wrote the above note before I see the answer :-) – Millen Oct 4 '17 at 8:07
  • Now I understood: bis zum heute is not correct. But what about "bis" or 'bis zu" in other situations ..... could we use them interchangeably? for example in : Sie schlief bis Sonnenaufgang. Sie schlief bis zum Sonnenaufgang. Both are right? – Millen Oct 5 '17 at 5:10
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Whereas the first sentence is completely fine:

Es ist derselbe Verein, der sich auch heute noch um die Tiere kümmert.

your second sentence

*Es ist derselbe Verein, der sich bis zum heute noch um die Tiere kümmert

is prima vista not a well-formed sentence in terms of standard German. It is not an established way of speaking to combine heute with bis zum. Heute goes simply with bis, so bis heute is correct.

Accepted and regularly used expressions are

bis heute

bis zum heutigen Tage

Simple reason: zum is derived from zu dem, which is zu plus definite article, and when there is a definite article, there has to be a noun. Heute is not a noun (usually).

This is the core of the answer. Now, for some intricacies:

I said "prima vista" because you can - theoretically - argue that in a certain way of thinking your second sentence is acceptable anyway. It is a little bit a form of twisted thinking, though. And you would have to write the heute as Heute with a capital H.

Es ist derselbe Verein, der sich bis zum Heute noch um die Tiere kümmert

In this sentence, the Heute is used as a noun, and therefore you can say bis zum Heute. However, this is not how anybody would usually speak or write. It is more like a hypothetical sentence constructed in analogy with (more accepted, more well-formed) sentences such as:

Wer das Gestern nicht kennt, verirrt sich im Heute.

Im Gestern und im Heute entscheidet sich das Morgen.

As you may conclude from the broad-brush philosophy there, using heute, gestern, morgen as nouns is a little bit manieristic and would be met only in higher registers of speech.

Oh, and in order to answer your actual question: No, there is no difference of meaning between your sentences. The second sentence would usually be considered as ill-formed, but the meaning of it would be understood quite so as in the first (well-formed) sentence.


Uhh... and one thing more: if you juxtapose "noch heute" and "bis heute", and if you interpret things in a very subtle way, you may argue that

noch heute

would tend to mean "started earlier, continues until today, and will continue in the future (or at least there is no end in sight)", whereas

bis heute

could be understood (but not necessarily) as "started earlier, continued until today, and that's it, no continuation into the future". But this is a little bit of a muddy terrain here. You can also understand bis heute as continuing into the future anyway.

That's of course more about the meaning and usage of noch and bis.

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