Does anyone know what the meaning of "Rumgejuxe" is? I assume it is related to "juxen" or something, but I'm not sure. I googled it, but it does not have many matches.
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2Closely related: german.stackexchange.com/questions/5684/pejorative-gerund– TakkatCommented Dec 6, 2018 at 11:33
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There are a few nouns of the form Ge- + -e derived from verbs:
das Gebrüll(e), Gehabe, Gelaber(e), Geklopfe, Gelache, Gerede, Getue, Gezanke, ...
The meaning is pejorative, i.e. the activity denoted by the noun is perceived as being unpleasant.
So Gejuxe is a noun derived from juxen (to joke). The prefix (he)rum literally means around; here, it denotes an activity without a goal (as it can in English as well). Which leads us to Rumgejuxe ~ the act of joking around.
answered Dec 6, 2018 at 10:16
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3"Durch ihr Herumgebrülle hat Sonja wahrscheinlich die Hyänen vertrieben." "Sein Herumgejuxe hat einen Headhunter für die Comedybühne aufmerksam gemacht." Ich würde sagen die Bedeutung des Wortes ist neutral - erst der Kontext macht eine Unterscheidung in abwertenden Gebrauch oder nicht möglich. Commented Dec 6, 2018 at 15:03
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3Ich sehe die Grundbedeutung durchaus als abwertend. Daß negative Dinge auch positive Effekte haben können, steht außer Frage. Commented Dec 6, 2018 at 15:11
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2Abgesehen von Abstrakta wie "das Negative" oder "der Schaden" usw. glaube ich nicht, dass es objektiv negative Dinge überhaupt gibt. Wenn 2 Personen Zeuge eines Rumgejuxes werden, einer findet es schlecht, einer gut, wieso sollten unterschiedliche Begriffe dafür verwenden? Was spricht für den, der es gut findet, dagegen, das auch Rumgejuxe zu nennen? Commented Dec 6, 2018 at 15:45
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3Weil es beim Hörer eine andere Erwartung wecken würde. Deshalb würde derjenige, dem es gefällt, vielleicht von einem Heidenspaß sprechen. -- Um die Einstufung als "abwertend" plausibel zu machen, schaue man sich die Kollokationen von Gerede an: leeres, sinnloses, dummes, ... . Dagegen Gespräch: klärendes, konstruktives, gutes, nettes, ... Commented Dec 6, 2018 at 16:08
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1A) Ein Heidenspaß hat man, Herumgejuxe ist dagegen ein Verhalten. Das sind nicht Synonyme nur mit unterschiedlicher Bewertung. B) Gespräch und Gerede auch nicht. Ein Gerede kann man alleine ausführen. Dass es meist abwertend benutzt wird macht nicht jedes Herumgerede abwertend. Zwei Marketingleute etwa können sich über erfolgversprechende Kundeninteraktion unterhalten. "Dem Kunden schmeicheln, Ersparnis herausstellen, etwas Herumgerede - schon hatte ich den Vertrag in der Tasche". Commented Dec 7, 2018 at 3:58
In addition to David Vogt's answer: Some of the verb + Ge constructs in popular speech combine with Rum, some not:
Verb + Ge + Rum
- Rumgelaber
- Rumgejuxe (obviously)
- Rumgeschreie (Hört endlich mit dem Rumgeschreie auf!)
- Rumgesumme
- Rumgebrumme
- Rumgezanke
- Rumgelache
- Rumgehüpfe
- Rumgehopse
- Rumgetolle
- Rumgerenne
- Rumgedudel (typically with a musical instrument, or a radio)
- Rumgeklimper (on a piano)
- Rumgefuhrwerke (rare, rather: das Rumfuhrwerken)
- Rumgeklopfe (here start craft trades or home improvement activities)
- Rumgehämmere
- Rumgesäge
- Rumgeschleife
- Rumgefeile
- Rumgeschnipple (with scissors, also: Rumgeschnippel)
- Rumgesauge (with a vacuum cleaner; could also refer to a suckling)
- Rumgetue
- Rumgekaspere (difficulties to find the correct spelling show us that all these words are never used in writing)
- Rumgeknutsche
- Rumgehure
- Rumgebumse
Contrary to that I am not aware of a popular Rum prefix for
- Gehabe
If one searches for reasons of semantical logic, I would suggest: all the Rumge- words refer to activities of a person that create noise or motion suitable to annoy others. Gehabe, in contrast, refers rather to a posture or attitude not actually emitting noise or motion.
The Rumge- double prefix is very productive. You can use it on any verb fitting the above description. So, you could try to use
- Rumgeföhne
if your girlfriend does not stop blow-drying her hair for hours. But I have never met that word in actual use.
Note that all these words are pretty much restricted to oral, casual communication. You would not find them in written communication (unless of course in literature depicting oral speech as in drama). Using them correctly in oral communication, however, would be an indicator of a high level of command of German. (Not least because they would be hard to find in a dictionary.)
answered Dec 6, 2018 at 11:15
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Do these words all have the same gender? If so, what is it. Plus can they ever be plural? Commented Dec 6, 2018 at 12:32
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3Rumgehabe obviously refers to a person who owns ridiculous amounts of rum. "Sein Rumgehabe ist nicht mehr erträglich, er sollte lieber Whiskey kaufen." Commented Dec 7, 2018 at 12:46
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1@infinitezero: no, it never comes from a noun (Rum) - "Rumgehabe" is a coincidence purely because of its (almost illegal) shortcut - remember that "Herumgehabe" is the full version. This meaning of "Rumgehabe" practically only appears in (word) jokes. One would rather say "sein Gehabe über Rum" or "Rum-Gehabe". Commented Dec 7, 2018 at 14:13
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2@infinitezero In my understanding Rumgehabe is rather a word for the behaviour of a person who has been having too much rum, as Gehabe is posture or attitude. (Compare to Bierlaune, the joyful mood of a person who has had a certain amount of beer.) The circumstance of owning a lot of rum (and being bold about it) would rather be Rumhaberei. Commented Dec 8, 2018 at 20:11
A "Jux" is a joke or a prank. "Rumgejuxe" is the act of joking around, not necessarily in a nice way. If some people want to work seriously and others just fool around, the serious guys might say: stop that "Rumgejuxe". "Rumgejuxe" is rather colloquial.
The closer your word is to the proper, correct, precise, formal word for the action, the more respect you have for the way it's being done. If the word you use is close to, but not exactly "correct", you're just being casual (and as somebody pointed out, you're probably speaking, not writing). If you get further away, you're being disrespectful or downright insulting.
Example: your Rumgejuxe. Juxen is a correct, formal word for joking, and rum is short for herum (around), so juxen means you're joking around, casually, like with your buddies. Juxerei is another version. These are not insulting, merely casual.
Now, if you use a word that could be applicable, is more generic and further from the proper word, e.g., getue or rumgetue (doing around), it starts to get into the realm of serious disrespect. You're saying what's being done might not even be recognizable as joking, it's so bad. If you were to use geschrei (screaming), this is a flatly incorrect description of the action, and thus very far from correct, and definitely insulting.
In English this is sort of like saying you saw someone's trumpet performance vs show vs messing around vs screeching.
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I would inject that this differs from region to region. While getting away from the proper formal form of a word has a meaning, this is not always disrespectful or insulting. In Vienna, for example, using dialect forms of a term often denotes that it's meant less serious and also less insulting. So for example calling someone an "Idiot" is really insulting, since it is High German and thus meant seriously. Calling someone a "Wappler" for example, which is a Viennese word with a similar meaning, is often meant more jokingly. You would use that when messing around, for example.– DakkaronCommented Dec 7, 2018 at 16:00
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So in one region Rumgejuxe might be used by someone who can't stand the noise and bother that someone creates. In Vienna you wouldn't use the word "Jux", but Rumgekaspern would mean something very similar. But because it uses multiple casual markers it would be something a parent might use towards their child, that they love, when it's joking around.– DakkaronCommented Dec 7, 2018 at 16:02