Is the word "Fürst" etymological/historical superlativ form of the word "vor"?

I believe they might be related, because of the umlaut and on account of the "st" on the end.

  • de.wiktionary.org/wiki/F%C3%BCrst
    – Janka
    Mar 28, 2019 at 22:59
  • dwds.de/wb/F%C3%BCrst
    – Carsten S
    Mar 29, 2019 at 7:34
  • @Carsten Sorry, but I do not understand(( Yes or no?
    – prostorech
    Mar 29, 2019 at 8:44
  • They are at least related. Of course, this is not supposed to be an answer. By the way, you could improve your answer by saying why you think that this might be the case.
    – Carsten S
    Mar 29, 2019 at 11:10
  • @CarstenS because of the umlaut and on account of the "st" on the end
    – prostorech
    Mar 29, 2019 at 11:18

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According to Wiktionary, the word Fürst shares a common ancestor with the english word first, namely the proto-germanic word furistaz (which means first or foremost). The word vor comes from the proto-germanic word fora.

  • Vor pretty much relates to pre, für and so on, for all I know, and thus to first? Compare Prinz, princeps. Will check.
    – vectory
    Apr 3, 2019 at 17:50
  • What you say does not match the content of the links. vor "before" is deemed akin to "pre" indeed, and your second link agrees so far. PGMc *w- remains w- in (all?) cases. Lip does not make too much sense here. The PIE root glossed high somewhat does make sense. But overall your argument is mildly irritating.
    – vectory
    Apr 3, 2019 at 18:03
  • Please feel free to edit the answer. Apr 4, 2019 at 9:09
  • I don't know what you were trying to say, so there's nothing for me to edit myself. What I said is something that can be looked up trivially in any etymological dictionary, and the maybe not so obvious tangent with prince is not an answer. I rather wonder how you arrived at PGmc *weruz "lip" for a start. It's not obvious to me; whether right or wrong I may not judge, but even if wrong one could learn from mistakes.
    – vectory
    Apr 4, 2019 at 15:31
  • Yeah I think I made a mistake there. Not sure how I arrived at weruz either. Apr 4, 2019 at 15:35

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