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Can I use trotzdem instead of obwohl? For example:

  1. Trotzdem er krank war, ging er noch zur Arbeit.

  2. Obwohl er krank war, ging er noch zur Arbeit.

  • obwohl and trotzdem don't really have similar enough meanings to compare. The first one says "Despite the fact he was sick, he still went to work" and the second one says "Although he was sickly/ailing, he still went to work" (I think you may be using kränklich, in a manner that assumes a meaning different than the one you intended). This sentences have similar meanings, but are not exact enough to compare, in my opinion. – thekeyofgb Dec 25 '13 at 5:02
  • Yes, you can. See meaning 2 here: dwds.de/wb/trotzdem. – Björn Friedrich Dec 2 '17 at 18:29
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Agreeing with thekeyofgb's comment, it is not apparent that they are similar. But in used in their right place, they convey the same effect:

  1. Er war krank. Trotzdem ging er zur Arbeit.

  2. Obwohl er krank war, ging er zur Arbeit.

There is a third (at least) possibility trotz+(Genitiv) (with Dativ is used in Switzerland more often)

Trotz seiner Krankheit ging er zur Arbeit.

or

Er ging trotz seiner Krankheit zur Arbeit.

According to wiktionary the order you put the sentence in, is also allowed, but it is umgangssprachlich:

Trotzdem er krank war, ging er zur Arbeit. (umg. and pronounced [tʀɔʦˈdeːm])

I must say that I've never heard the trotzdem in this subjunctional use. The pronunciation remark, added by Emanuel, is that the second syllable should be stressed if trotzdem is intended with this meaning (opposite to [ˈtʀɔʦdeːm], the adverb.)

  • If we use noch we need to explain why we use it. As it is now, we should better leave it out. – Takkat Dec 25 '13 at 8:57
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    @takkat i thought trotzdem was used in formal registers because Thomas Mann always used it in his writings. – DerPolyglott33 Dec 25 '13 at 9:12
  • @DerPolyglott33 both trotzdem, and obwohl are common but with trotzdem you need a reason to come before, with obwohl the reason comes after it. – Takkat Dec 25 '13 at 9:16
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    The difference between the normal "trotzdem" (adverb) and the verb last one "subord. Conj." is stress... TROTZdem vs. trotzDEM. If this stress is not made clearly, people will not understand the "trotzdem" to be the second one and the sentence will sound wrong and change the meaning. I have my doubts as to whether it is umgangssprachlich but that aside, I'd recommend adding the stress-part to the answer as it is really really crucial – Emanuel Dec 25 '13 at 15:34
  • I definitely hear trotzdem used as in the last example. It would classify it as wrong, but it may be common regionally. – Carsten S Dec 25 '13 at 17:04
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In my experience, trotzdem is used far less as a conjunction and the alternatives using the adverb or the preposition trotz seem more standard/usual. I looked this up only because I am being asked to correct a translation from a slightly bastardised English "Yesterday my school day was wonderful, although we had a test in physics." We wouldn't necessarily say although in English here, it sounds awkward. If you use obwohl for although, it is like a return serve, taking something away from the wonderful day. If you use trotzdem it sounds as if any negative impact of the test was overcome and of little consequence. I am not sure what the English intends, but although sounds somewhat awkward to me. I agree with the above where it states the obwohl clause ususally comes first, and in this case it renders the meaning of trotzdem! Gestern war mein Schultag toll, obwohl wir in Physik eine Klassenarbeit geschrieben haben. Obwohl wir in Physik eine Klassenarbeit geschrieben haben, war mein Schultag gestern toll. Gestern war mein Schultag toll, trotzdem wir eine Klassenarbeit geschrieben haben. Have a think.

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These are two different words. "Trotzdem" means "nevertheless," while "obwohl" means "although."

Surprisingly, they can be used somewhat "interchanageably," because they are complementary.

The basic sentence would be: "Obwohl er krank war, ging er trotzdem noch zur Arbeit." Although he was sick, he nevertheless went to work.

Two similar example sentences can then be formed by omitting one or the other, which shows their complementarity, by "interchanging" them.

  1. Obwohl er krank war, ging er noch zur Arbeit. (Omit trotzdem.)

  2. Er war krank; trotzdem ging er noch zur Arbeit. (Omit obwohl.)

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