Questions tagged [history]
For questions on the history of grammar, orthography, pronunciation and similar – with the main exception of word and phrase meanings, for which the etymology tag should be used.
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Etymology of "Je... desto.."
German learner (B1) here, and sorry if this sounds like a stupid question. I've heard about the "Je... desto..." conjunction and I'm familiar with it, but it just sounds different than the ...
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War das gesprochene Deutsch vor 500-1000 Jahren ähnlicher dem Hoch- oder dem Plattdeutsch?
Ich weiß nicht, ob es eine genaue Antwort auf diese Frage gibt, aber ich möchte gerne wissen, wenn man heutige deutsche Dialekten mit Altdeutsch vergleicht. Welcher Dialekt blieb dieser Sprache am ...
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What is this symbol for a small weight?
I'm going through old handwritten recipes from 1895 and found this symbol for a small weight that I can't figure out.
The recipe starts as follows:
Strudel
Man nimmt dazu 4 Eier, 10 ?? Hefe,
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Why did the rulers of Austria and/or Bavaria not declare Austro-Bavarian a separate language back in the day?
This is more of a history question. But it's about the German language, so I hope this is on-topic here.
Typically, the rulers of independent states try to declare their local speech a separate ...
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"ich bin deine, du bist meine"
I have been listening to Bach’s secular cantata BWV 213 (“Hercules at the crossroad”) to a text by Picander.. Towards the end there is a duet between Hercules (scored for a boy alto) and the ...
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So about endgültige Lösung
I assume it's not as bad as Endlösung within German but it certainly translates to the exact same wtf English in Google, OpenAI, &c.
1st) Within German, is it entirely distinct from Endlösung and ...
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From a linguistic PoV, do we know why Akkusativ only changes the masculine? [closed]
From an academic/historical/linguistic perspective, is there any interesting background for why a case that only changes one gender remained in the language and did not become disused?
Pardon my ...
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Modern name or translation of the illness "der rothen Sucht"
I'm trying to translate an old family bible from the 1870s and stumbled upon a cause of death of a child that I'm struggling with.
The writing is in an old handwriting (Sütterlin?) so it's a bit of ...
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Obsolete old German glyphs?
Old English has several glyphs that are obsolete today: For example þ, replaced by "th".
Old Japanese had several kana not used today, for example ゑ.
However, how about German? Did German ...
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Specific cases for time indications, and their origin
German uses the accusative for definite time expressions, both for durations ("Ich mache es den ganzen Tag") and points in time ("Ich mache es nächsten Samstag"), and the genitive ...
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How did the German case system end up as it is?
How did the irregular German case system develop, specifically that the same article such as "der" occurs in different places in terms of gender and case, and there is no strict overarching ...
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Carl von Clausewitz in original German
Though I'm sure this is simpler than I'm making it I've been unable to find the German original of the Carl von Clausewitz quote
Next to victory, the act of pursuit is most important in war.
I don't ...
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Warum wurde"abend" in "Dienstag abend" früher klein geschrieben?
Seit der Rechtschreibreform 1996 werden Fügungen aus Wochentag und Tageszeit zusammen geschrieben:
Dienstag + Abend = Dienstagabend
Die Überlegung hinter dieser Regel scheint zu sein, dass die ...
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Streusel-Schnecke oder Schneck? [closed]
Backt mich auf bitte, eine Streuselschnecke hat ja keine Schneckenform. Ähnliche Snacks, die eine derartige Form doch aufweisen, möchten wohl augenfällige Wortspiele sein.
Was war zuerst, die Schnecke ...
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Origins of the unified German declensions chart?
In this website , a chart is provided which when combined with the rules to it, one can derive all the other standard declension chart. Here is a picture of the same:
However, the only other place I'...
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Dialect that voices "achtzig" as "achtlig" or "achtling"
About 25 years ago I was traveling in a remote part of Graubünden, Switzerland, and I noticed at a kiosk that the elderly woman behind the counter voiced multiples of ten as ending in "lig" ...
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Why is the section sign (§) placed so prominently on the QWERTZ layout of keyboards?
Today I noticed, that in the past decades, until today, I never typed § (Shift+3) even once in my life intentionally as part of a sentence. However @ (Alt Gr+q) and € (Alt Gr+E) I need fairly often in ...
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How did präteritum come to be primarily used in writing and mostly unused in everyday speech?
As a native English speaker learning German, one thing that has caught my imagination is the Präteritum. The idea of a tense which you mostly don't really say (with a few exceptions such as sein, ...
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Help translating the old German word hewrigenn
I'm digging into old German cookbooks from 1400-1600 and I came across the following book.
Kochbuch des Meisters Eberhard
which contains a recipe for a liver dish in which this passage is found:
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What could the old German (or maybe Bayrish?) word gestu:ep mean?
I'm digging into old German cookbooks from 1400-1600 and I came across the following book
https://www.uni-giessen.de/fbz/fb05/germanistik/absprache/sprachverwendung/gloning/tx/feyl.htm
which contains ...
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Proto-Indo-European language or "Indogermanische Ursprache"?
Can someone please explain me, why does the subject call "Indogermanische Ursprache" in the german version of the article about Proto-Indo-European language?
If I'm not wrong, there was Indo-...
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What's exactly the background of the word “Mädis”?
In the operetta Die Csárdásfürstin they sing in the part 2 about "Mädis vom Chantant".
While I do understand Mädis stands obviously for Mädels (or are there additional connotations?), I fail ...
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When did Germans start write nouns with a capital letter?
When did Germans start write nouns with a capital letter?
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Did the gender of "der Ozean" change?
I was looking through some old maps published in Hamburg in the 1790s and the label Atlantische Ocean stuck out to me.
I would expect it to show Atlantischer Ozean (and looking at modern maps seems ...
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Why is the h in OHG "riohhan" geminated?
Why is the "h" in the Old High German word "riohhan" (riechen, Engl. "to smell", cognate with Engl. "to reek") geminated?
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What greetings were common before "grüß Gott" became universal?
Today, the overwhelming majority of German speakers in Southern Germany and Austria greet each other using grüß Gott. The English Wikipedia article on grüß Gott claims, without a supporting reference,...
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When did most East Prussians start speaking German?
According to Gedanken und Fakten zur Bevölkerungsentwicklung in Ostpreußen, even as late as 1708, only 25% of East Prussians were deutsch (Presumably, these were the people whose primary language was ...
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New German irregular verbs. Are there any?
New verbs in English are invariably regular. Sneak, an old verb in English dating from the 16th century, is one of the very few that have, at least in some parts of the world, become irregular (with ...
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Herkunft Aussprache Ordinalzahlen 4 "Virrtä" und 7 "Sippte" im Rheinland/Süddeutschland
Verfolgt man bspw. die öffentlich-rechtlichen Medien (wie den DLF, vornehmlich im Rheinland produziert), gibt es offenbar insbesondere im rheinländischen und südlichen Teil Deutschlands die ...
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Why do translations of German books read so differently from other books?
I'm unsure whether my question is on-topic here, but it's about the German language, so I've decided to try.
I am an undergraduate student from Japan who learns foreign languages and loves reading ...
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War das Deutsch des 18., 19. und frühen 20. Jahrhunderts präziser, ausdrucksstärker und wortgewaltiger als das heutige? [closed]
Wenn ich Werke aus dieser Zeit lese, egal ob sie nun literarischer, philosophischer oder wissenschaftlicher Natur sind, fällt mir dabei nicht nur auf, dass sie aufgrund der damals noch international ...
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Why was ⟨ß⟩ discontinued in Switzerland?
I can think of three different reasons why ⟨ß⟩ was discontinued in Switzerland. However, I do not know which one to prefer, and there may be other explanations. That is why I am asking.
Here are the ...
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What is the origin of the two past tenses in German?
In my German class, we learned that there are two past tenses, which we referred to as the "narrative" and "conversational," the former only being used for writing, and the other used exclusively for ...
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Need help to read Fraktur from a 18th century book
I am reading Euler's German translation of his work on differential calculus entitled Vollständige Anleitung zur Differentialrechnung (Complete instruction on Differential Calculus). I am struggling ...
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Which word did people use before "interessant" got borrowed from French?
The etymology of the word "interessant" seems to be that it was borrowed from the French word "intéressant" - at least that is what wiktionary claims.
Which word was used before this word was ...
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2nd phrase. Help me please to read old german writings?
The writings are pretty old: 1912, 1913 and earlier I guess...
That are the writing on the back cover of an old clock. So probably the writings might be about the works being done on it and who did ...
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1st phrase. Help me please to read old german writings? [duplicate]
The writings are pretty old: 1912, 1913.
That are the writing on the back cover of an old clock. So probably the writings might be about the works being done on it and who did this works, or about ...
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Kennzeichnung aspirierter Plosive (z.b. TH in Theater, Thron usw.)
Als Plosive bezeichnet man jene Konsonanten, bei denen der Laut dadurch gebildet wird, dass der Luftstrom für einen kurzen Moment unterbrochen wird. Das anschließende geräuschvolle Entweichen der ...
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vowel length in Mutter and Vater
Mutter used to have a long u realized as a diphthong (MHG, OHG muoter). Vater had a short a, as evidenced in the Grimms' remark about Vater : "der stammvocal, im älteren deutsch stets kurz, wird nhd.,...
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What were the main German words for a prostitute before 1800?
Prostitution is referred to as the oldest profession, but the German word "Prostituierte" is a borrowing that started being used in the German language around 1800. I would like to know what the ...
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Did German have a "possessive apostrophe"?
There is an old question asking whether contemporary German uses the apostrophe to mark possessive constructions in a way similar to contemporary English – or at least, that's the issue that all the ...
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Dativ der Fragepronomina wer und was - wem und … *wam*?
Eine kaiserliche Randnotiz zu einem Telegramm des Reichskanzlers lautet wie folgt:
Woher ist das zu entnehmen? Aus dem mir vorgelegten Material nicht.
Dies versteht man natürlich problemlos, aber ...
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What is the origin of the German "n-Deklination"?
Being completely unfamiliar with the answer, I would dare say that it is a legacy of Latin, although I fail to recognize any similarity between Latin declensions and this sort of noun alteration. Is ...
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Which fighter has the right stance?
Here is the text we are transcribing:
Item schickh dich also Inn das Prechfennster. stand mit deinnem rechten fuosz vor. vnd halt dein gehultz vor deinem haupt. das dein daumen vnnden stee. den ort ...
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Why are there no Empathen
There are Psychopathen, Soziopathen, Homöopathen,...
But why are there no Empathen? Why are they called Empathiker?
duden.de, for example, has an entry for Empathiker, but not for Empath.
And what ...
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Why is "das Weib" grammatically neuter?
The word das Weib, meaning woman, is grammatically neuter. While the gender of nouns is generally unpredictable from their meaning, it is unusual that a word with such an explicitly feminine meaning (...
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Capitalization in 18th Century German - »GOttes« and »GOTTES«
I am working on texts from the composer Telemann and have come across an eighteenth-century text about the writer, Fabricius. In a single paragraph both GOttes and GOTTES appear. I take it that both ...
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Pronunciation of "Ainpöckisch Bier"
While doing research on German beer, I came across the story that beer from Einbeck, Einbecksch or Einbeckisch Bier, came to be pronounced Ainpöckisch Bier in Bavaria in the 16th century, and this ...
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Origin of "zu wehen" and relation to "att vina" in swedish?
I read at Wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wehen
that in proto-germanic there is the word *wēaną which I suspect (Well, I don't know for sure as I don't know any live Proto-Germanic speaker) ...
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Translating "Axis powers" from an English World War II documentary (1942, Eastern Front)
I am translating subtitles from an English documentary. In this documentary they use only the term "Axis" or "Axis powers" to refer to the troops advancing from Germany to the East.
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