Timeline for Why doesn't the "ch" pronunciation rule occur for words such as "durch" and "manchmal"?
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| Aug 12, 2019 at 20:32 | comment | added | vectory | ... which figures that it was originally plosive -ken, as it still is in Köllsch or Hessisch ("bisken"). Also cp. perhaps Kaninchen, Karnickel. | |
| Aug 12, 2019 at 20:25 | comment | added | vectory | @PaulFrost parse Rä-dchen or Rädch-en. The Gretchenfrage is how individual realisations influence the sonority pattern; Grätsche certainly has a tsch-sound, word final /d t/ are mostly not voiced or aspirated and thus indistinct anyway; Hühnchen is hard to conceive of as having a cluster nch, but Mulch works fine; München is not even diminutive but becomes munich anyway to separate the cluster; Radischen, radish shows a preference to cluster. I maintain there's no initial /x/. If you strongly segment, you have to posit an unwritten glottalstop, 'chen, like 'Arbeit. | |
| Aug 11, 2019 at 8:03 | comment | added | Paul Frost | Thank you for clarification. But then you should delete "manche" and "Arche" from your list and replace them for example by "manchmal" and "Patriarch". Moreover it seems to me that most words containing a syllable ending with a consonant + [ç] have declined forms in which the [ç] occurs at the beginning of a new syllable which could be an explanation for its pronounciaton according to your Initial rule. For example: Dolch -> Dolche, Patriarch -> Patriarchen. Of course this cannot happen for prepositions, but the only example seems to be "durch". | |
| Aug 10, 2019 at 20:18 | comment | added | Hubert Schölnast | you are talking about written consonants. nut I all the time was talkin about spoken consonants. Btw.: C before ch: Zucchini (neither [ç] nor [x]), Saccharose (1. c is silent). H before ch: frühchristlich (not in same syllable), Fernsehchef (not in same syllable). Y before ch: Psyche, Triptychon, Bodycheck, Hobbychemiker (all: not in same syllable) | |
| Aug 10, 2019 at 20:05 | comment | added | Hubert Schölnast | @PaulFrost: I was talking about sounds within the same syllable. »…chen« is a syllable that starts with ch, so there is no consonant before it. I edited my last sentence to make it more clear. | |
| Aug 10, 2019 at 20:04 | history | edited | Hubert Schölnast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 10, 2019 at 17:08 | comment | added | Paul Frost | I have to correct your final remark. In German diminutives are formed by adding "chen" (or "lein", but that is irrelevant here) and this gives plenty of other examples: Stäbchen, Rädchen, ... | |
| Aug 10, 2019 at 16:38 | history | answered | Hubert Schölnast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |