Kommt, wir setzen uns auf diese Bank.

where die Bank, die Bänke is a bench in the park.

Shouldn't it be: auf dieser Bank ? Isn't it a strong adj. ending as to this Wikibook article?

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    The question would be clearer if you indicated which case you think this is.
    – Carsten S
    Commented Mar 22, 2023 at 18:01

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In German, we have the two verbs sitzen and setzen that both translate to the English to sit. Sitzen is used when you are already sitting at the location, which is why it demands the dative case:

Wo sitzt ihr? – Wir sitzen auf dieser Bank.
(Where do you sit? – We are sitting on this bench.)

Setzen, in contrast, is used to express that you are going to sit down, that is, you fulfill a movement towards the place. Therefore, setzen demands the accusative case:

Wohin setzt ihr euch? – Wir setzen uns auf diese Bank.
Where do you sit (down)? – We are sitting (down) on(to) this bench.

Notice that dies is not an adjective but a demonstrative pronoun, which is why the rules of strong/weak/mixed adjective declension do not apply here.

  • I did suspect setzen as the cause of there being an Akk. instead of Dat. ending (diese not dieser) but was totally unaware of the difference with sitzen, so thank you so much for pointing this out. However I still think that "diese" is a demonstrative adjective, not a pronoun, since it is immediately followed by the noun it refers to, "Bank". That would validate the Oklahoma mnemonic of the German Grammar Wikibook (Akk. ends with -e for strong declension, since there are no der or ein articles). Commented Mar 22, 2023 at 18:44
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    The page you linked states correctly The strong adjective endings are nearly the same as the der-word endings, with the exception of masculine and neuter adjectives in the genitive case (both marked in bold). That shows dies is a der-word, not an adjective, because its masculine and neuter genitive endings are -es. Not -en.
    – Janka
    Commented Mar 22, 2023 at 19:23
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    @WobblyWindows, in German they are called Demonstrativpronomen, English terminology may differ. In that case, expect same confusion here ;) For sitzen/setzen think lie/lay without the confusion.
    – Carsten S
    Commented Mar 22, 2023 at 20:16
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    @WobblyWindows It is not really the verb, it is the preposition "auf" that takes different cases depending on whether you are talking about state/location or about transition/direction. Lots of prepositions work like that.
    – wonderbear
    Commented Mar 22, 2023 at 21:07
  • Also what wonderbear said. "Auf" is not in the aus, bei, mit, nach, seit, von, zu -list :-) Commented Mar 23, 2023 at 8:31

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